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post #191 of 218 (permalink) Old 04-04-2016, 04:46 PM
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i agree! A prior poster said he had never had a mc tire slip even under " hard acceleration"-----I guess he just doesn't really know what hard acceleration is; because I used to have mc tire slip with regularity.--without even really trying to make it slip!! with a car tire, the traction on WET pavement is basically phenomenal ---- which means the traction on dry pavement is greatly improved as well. But everyone is free to use what they choose......! And I also just hate hearing how riders/passengers get injured/killed when that rear "mc" tire fails!
Yep...guess I just don't accelerate as hard as you guys.

Honestly..."hard acceleration" is a relative term and to be fair...I think anyone can make an E3 slip so I wasn't talking about them.

Back to a reasonably decent MC tire, I've really never had slipping problems with something decent like a Stone 704.

Having said that, I'll admit that my riding style on the wing isn't geared for all out speed and it's not stop, point and shoot at all. I try and brake very little and carry a ton of speed through the corner and then I don't accelerate out of it that hard since I'm already going pretty fast and I don't want to get much faster on the straight or I'll have to brake hard before the next turn.

It's not even close to the fastest way to ride, but that's ok for me as I really just enjoy laying it over in the curves and am not going for full actual performance.

As such, I'm sure lots of guys accelerate harder than I do.

Follow up....so I've ridden my first 1000 miles on a CT now. At first I liked it a lot, then I hit a point where I didn't and now I'm back to liking it more than not liking it. It's definitely different and I'm having to learn a bit more feel mid corner in order to keep my line where I want it. (feels like it's "hunting" on me and it's just a bit less predictable than with a MC tire). At this point, it's more "different" than good or bad but I can't say I'm comfortable yet.

I told my buddy yesterday that if I was ordering a tire tomorrow, I'd order a 704....but I'm not done trying this out yet. I'm going to give it the full 6K miles or so that it lasts and make my decision when it's time to replace it.

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post #192 of 218 (permalink) Old 04-04-2016, 05:11 PM
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Follow up....so I've ridden my first 1000 miles on a CT now. At first I liked it a lot, then I hit a point where I didn't and now I'm back to liking it more than not liking it. It's definitely different and I'm having to learn a bit more feel mid corner in order to keep my line where I want it. (feels like it's "hunting" on me and it's just a bit less predictable than with a MC tire). At this point, it's more "different" than good or bad but I can't say I'm comfortable yet.

I told my buddy yesterday that if I was ordering a tire tomorrow, I'd order a 704....but I'm not done trying this out yet. I'm going to give it the full 6K miles or so that it lasts and make my decision when it's time to replace it.
I would like to drop a comment here, Dave. No two CT brands feel the same, or at least that has been my experience, i.e., the Yokohama that many guys really likes, I just did not like it. For me, the feel was just wrong.

If this one does not work out for you and your committed to the safety aspect, then try a different tire. I would bet there is one out there with your name on it.
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Monk, thanks to SSNCOB I "test drove" an Alpine for a couple of days. Initially it felt like the tire was pushing when cornering or in the twisties but after about 15 minutes it started to feel more natural. I didn't get real aggressive (was 2 up part of the time with valuable cargo), but overall I felt quite comfortable using the tire. I just noticed in your signature that you have used both the Alpine as well as the Cinturato. How would you compare performance of the two tires, especially in the twisties as I do ride 2 up a good deal of the time. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

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Monk, thanks to SSNCOB I "test drove" an Alpine for a couple of days. Initially it felt like the tire was pushing when cornering or in the twisties but after about 15 minutes it started to feel more natural. I didn't get real aggressive (was 2 up part of the time with valuable cargo), but overall I felt quite comfortable using the tire. I just noticed in your signature that you have used both the Alpine as well as the Cinturato. How would you compare performance of the two tires, especially in the twisties as I do ride 2 up a good deal of the time. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.
At my age, don't think there is much wisdom left. Especially since I didn't start with much to begin with.

At this time I plan on staying with a Runflat CT. I just like the extra margin of safety and piece of mind that gives me.

A lot of the Runflats are pretty heavy, coming in at 24 to 25 pounds. While that is not real noticeable when doing the usual running around on the bike, the Michelin is a 25 pound tire. When running the twisty roads that extra weight can be noticeable, depending on how hard you like to ride. The problem comes in when changing directions, especially when going through S curves with the quick back and forth transition.

The Pirelli Centurato, and the Winter Snowcontrol come in at 21 and 22 pounds. That makes them a lot more fun and easier to handle in the twisties!!

The down side with these tires would be the mileage. Because of the way I'm using them, I will hope to get somewhere between 6,000-7000 miles. The Snowcontrol that I just took off gave me 6,663 miles. But it was abused in the Ozarks for its entire life.

I have a new Michelin that I'm saving for a future trip, thinking about Death Valley again. It excels in that type of application. The Michelin is an all around good tire. It is too bad they are getting hard to find.
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I would like to drop a comment here, Dave. No two CT brands feel the same, or at least that has been my experience, i.e., the Yokohama that many guys really likes, I just did not like it. For me, the feel was just wrong.

If this one does not work out for you and your committed to the safety aspect, then try a different tire. I would bet there is one out there with your name on it.
Agreed. Not sure if it's actually this tire or just the change in general but I'll stick with it long enough to find out. Right now, I think it's just taking me a bit longer to get used to the turn in and mid corner feel. I thought I had it after about 100 miles but I found myself just not being comfortable even after 500 or more.

We'll see how I feel after 5K or so.

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Agreed. Not sure if it's actually this tire or just the change in general but I'll stick with it long enough to find out. Right now, I think it's just taking me a bit longer to get used to the turn in and mid corner feel. I thought I had it after about 100 miles but I found myself just not being comfortable even after 500 or more.



We'll see how I feel after 5K or so.


I would suggest trying different tire pressures. Screw mileage and wear, run the pressure that feels right for you and your style. I would rather enjoy it for 12-15,000 miles than put up with it for 20-25,000 miles.

I start my Yoko at 28psi, cold. But that is good for ME and MY style. Go where your gut takes you. Don't follow.
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If you are even a even just a half way sprited rider ( which I suspect your better ) your milage for your area is what I consider pretty good.
Now if you lived and ride in like oh Nebraska , well that woulkd be a different story . We do not tisties out my back door , the amount of chip seal roads , and I rarely get over 8k on any rear I have tried . Less than 6 with bike rear tires . I do believe that those 2 pirellis are a real consideration for a good fit for a great deal of riders looking for good handling characteristics in a tire choice . I have a lot of tires on reserve , but if one comes along at a really good price I wanna throw that into this summers mix of tires . As I have not found a RF I can live with . But that weight is very appealing .
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Agreed. Not sure if it's actually this tire or just the change in general but I'll stick with it long enough to find out. Right now, I think it's just taking me a bit longer to get used to the turn in and mid corner feel. I thought I had it after about 100 miles but I found myself just not being comfortable even after 500 or more.

We'll see how I feel after 5K or so.
I suspect it will grow on you........👍 And you are at least giving it a good tryout. I won't ever go back to a standard mc rear tire.

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Agreed. Not sure if it's actually this tire or just the change in general but I'll stick with it long enough to find out. Right now, I think it's just taking me a bit longer to get used to the turn in and mid corner feel. I thought I had it after about 100 miles but I found myself just not being comfortable even after 500 or more.

We'll see how I feel after 5K or so.
One possibly related question for you. Have you made any upgrades to the stock suspension?

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One possibly related question for you. Have you made any upgrades to the stock suspension?
Yes...Traxxion 1.2 kg springs up front, Traxxion tree, Traxxion rear shock with 1100# spring.

Running rear preload at 18 with clip in upper position. Front tree 5mm below top of tubes.

I'm moderately aggressive on the street holding a lot in reserve. However, I'm also a licensed roadracer competing in CMRA races so I do know HOW to be VERY aggressive and what tire movement feels like. I just don't typically ride that way on the street, and certainly not with my Mom on the back on her first motorcycle ride.

Honestly, the way I was riding was really pretty reserved. As such, I really didn't expect any front tire squirm on those tar snakes and it unsettled me a bit and caused me to doubt my front grip. Having said that, it was the only time all weekend I felt movement so it may have just been that road.

I'll get to go out again in a week or so and ride some Arkansas twisties and I'll likely get a better feel. It may be the best setup ever, it's just a bit different from my track bikes and how it used to feel mid-corner.





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