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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 10-14-2016, 10:41 AM Thread Starter
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Keep Pirelli or try heavier Yoko?

So...I just bought my second car tire. First was a Pirelli Snow Control RF that Monk was running. I actually really like that one but I couldn't find it again so I ordered the Yoko Envigor ZPS since many seem to run it and are happy. I figured that if I didn't like it, there would be plenty that would be willing to take it off my hands.

It came yesterday and I was totally shocked by how heavy it was compared to the Pirelli. (I think the Pirelli is around 21 pounds and the Yoko is 27 or so...apparently 6 pounds feels like a lot)

So...for the people that run the Yoko RF, do you notice that extra weight when transitioning from side to side? Maybe I won't feel it but I'm worried that I won't like it and am thinking of just offering it up for sale without ever mounting it and ordering something else.

Unfortunately, I have to make a quick decision as I need to put a tire on for a trip where I'm leaving next Friday and I'm on business travel all week next week so I really need to mount it tomorrow and the only tire I have is the Yoko. (or a 704 Stone...but I think I'm sold on the CT at this point and would rather not put it on)

The Pirelli I currently have on still looks pretty good. The trip I'm going on will be about 3500 miles. I've still got 5/32nds of tread in the middle after about 9K miles on it. 2K of the miles on this trip will be highway getting from TX to TN and back so I'm tempted just to leave the Pirelli on but I really don't know how long it will go as I really expected it to be worn out already.

Thoughts? Put the Yoko on and give it a shot or leave the Pirelli on for 3500 more miles?

Also.. @Monk Do you remember or know what the tread depth is on that Pirelli when new? If I knew that, I could determine how many more miles I should expect out of the 5/32nds remaining and I'd have a pretty good idea if it would be ok for the trip or not.

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Thoughts? Put the Yoko on and give it a shot or leave the Pirelli on for 3500 more miles?

Also.. @Monk Do you remember or know what the tread depth is on that Pirelli when new? If I knew that, I could determine how many more miles I should expect out of the 5/32nds remaining and I'd have a pretty good idea if it would be ok for the trip or not.
I'd go for the Yoko as I have for my last 2 tires, but it in my opinion, it does take a little work to get it to transition quickly.

Also, as I'm sure you know most tires wear out quickly at the end of their life, so be careful about your projections.

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So...I just bought my second car tire. First was a Pirelli Snow Control RF that Monk was running. I actually really like that one but I couldn't find it again so I ordered the Yoko Envigor ZPS since many seem to run it and are happy. I figured that if I didn't like it, there would be plenty that would be willing to take it off my hands.

It came yesterday and I was totally shocked by how heavy it was compared to the Pirelli. (I think the Pirelli is around 21 pounds and the Yoko is 27 or so...apparently 6 pounds feels like a lot)

So...for the people that run the Yoko RF, do you notice that extra weight when transitioning from side to side? Maybe I won't feel it but I'm worried that I won't like it and am thinking of just offering it up for sale without ever mounting it and ordering something else.

Unfortunately, I have to make a quick decision as I need to put a tire on for a trip where I'm leaving next Friday and I'm on business travel all week next week so I really need to mount it tomorrow and the only tire I have is the Yoko. (or a 704 Stone...but I think I'm sold on the CT at this point and would rather not put it on)

The Pirelli I currently have on still looks pretty good. The trip I'm going on will be about 3500 miles. I've still got 5/32nds of tread in the middle after about 9K miles on it. 2K of the miles on this trip will be highway getting from TX to TN and back so I'm tempted just to leave the Pirelli on but I really don't know how long it will go as I really expected it to be worn out already.

Thoughts? Put the Yoko on and give it a shot or leave the Pirelli on for 3500 more miles?

Also.. @Monk Do you remember or know what the tread depth is on that Pirelli when new? If I knew that, I could determine how many more miles I should expect out of the 5/32nds remaining and I'd have a pretty good idea if it would be ok for the trip or not.

Just a thought....my common sense tells me that it is highly unlikely that 3500 miles will scrub off 5/32nds. I would doubt that the original tread was 10/32 nds or more. I suspect that 2000 miles on the slab will not make any measurable difference at all. I have done a few tests on CT's on my bike and they do NOT wear faster as they get closer to the wear bars. I would expect another 9000 miles out of that tire on my bike.
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It would seem to me that there would be more weight in the gyroscopic forces than in the weight of the tire in the turns..... JMHO

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Also.. @Monk Do you remember or know what the tread depth is on that Pirelli when new? If I knew that, I could determine how many more miles I should expect out of the 5/32nds remaining and I'd have a pretty good idea if it would be ok for the trip or not.
I can't remember either, sorry ...

But my two cents worth ... when getting out on a road trip, I always make sure my tires are in the first half of their life and not the second half. Even if I'm able to make the trip, it does not keep me from worrying about it and that ruins some of it for me....

Good luck with your decision.

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Thanks all. I do think the Pirelli will make the trip but a couple buddies came over and we went ahead and spooned the Yoko on. (my first manual mount of a RF CT...took some effort / technique but we got it to go.)

I have 2 rear wheels so I may put the Pirelli on when I return and see what mileage I can finish out of it.

But....for this trip, I didn't want to be worried about it so a new front and rear seemed to make the most sense.
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