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Concealed Handgun Permits & Entering Canada??

All the currently running posts inquiring about or discussing firearms in Canada have raised a question that I would like to ask.

I have a concealed handgun license (CHL) issued by my state of Texas. When I took the CHL training we were told to always show the CHL when asked to show a driver's license. Example, a police officer or state trooper stops me for a taillamp out or minor speed violation, show my TX DL and TX CHL whether carrying or not. We were told that police computers display the CHL when a records check is made by a police officer. I know that is true within the state of Texas, do not know if TX shares that information with other states, a national register, or even international register.

I know, of course, that I cannot carry a handgun into Canada at anytime under any circumstances. I would not consider doing that. I also know that Canadian customs officials are very serious about handguns. If I were planning a trip that would take me into Canada I would leave my handgun at home.

My question: If I should travel into Canada should I show my CHL at the border check point along with my passport, driver's license, registration, insurance card, etc?

Question 2: Do Canadian customs computers have the information that US police computers do ie do they know if they pull my personal information up in their computers that I have a CHL?

I don't want to attract negative attention by showing my CHL to a customs official but neither do I want to appear to be concealing it.
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#1 - no, you would be bringing additional questions & possible search.
# 2 - sorry, can't help
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I traveled up to Canada with a work colleague who stupidly (pre-9/11) didn't bring a passport or birth certificate. She proceeded to pull out her gun card for identification at the Canadian border. THAT was fun.

DISCLAIMER: This next comment is not meant to turn this into a "gun-debate":

Many folks outside the US assume we're all packing. I wouldn't be surprised to be asked each time I go to Canada if I have a gun..they assume you do and in many cases (due to us not being too bright and leaving them home etc.) we DO.

I wouldn't show ANY border agent anything but the minimum (Passport) and then politely and very briefly and simply answer any questions they ask. There is a post on another thread that was great by a person who went to Canada a lot as to the best "answers"..I'll try to find that. EDIT: last post, page one. http://gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284825

But to the OP...NO, I wouldn't show anything to anyone at a border other than your passport. And if something shows in your record as having a CCP or whatever, deal with it when asked and be honest and forthcoming.

And leave your guns...and pepperspray, drugs, etc..back at home IMHO.

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Canadian customs does not have access to US information. It's not a one world government, not yet.

If you drive into Canada at 2 PM, turn around and go through duty free and re-enter the US at 3PM, you can tell the US CO that you've been in Canada for 48 hours (the minimum time for duty free purchases) and they have now way of knowing if you've been truthful or not.

Never offer anything more than your passport. The more information you offer, the more questions they ask. Your goal is to give them the minimum information to gain access to their country. In fact, only your drivers license is required by Canada, a passport is not required by Canadian law. Only the US requires the passport and many checkpoints accept your license only as well.

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All the currently running posts inquiring about or discussing firearms in Canada have raised a question that I would like to ask.

I have a concealed handgun license (CHL) issued by my state of Texas. When I took the CHL training we were told to always show the CHL when asked to show a driver's license. Example, a police officer or state trooper stops me for a taillamp out or minor speed violation, show my TX DL and TX CHL whether carrying or not. We were told that police computers display the CHL when a records check is made by a police officer. I know that is true within the state of Texas, do not know if TX shares that information with other states, a national register, or even international register.

I know, of course, that I cannot carry a handgun into Canada at anytime under any circumstances. I would not consider doing that. I also know that Canadian customs officials are very serious about handguns. If I were planning a trip that would take me into Canada I would leave my handgun at home.

My question: If I should travel into Canada should I show my CHL at the border check point along with my passport, driver's license, registration, insurance card, etc?

Question 2: Do Canadian customs computers have the information that US police computers do ie do they know if they pull my personal information up in their computers that I have a CHL?

I don't want to attract negative attention by showing my CHL to a customs official but neither do I want to appear to be concealing it.
You are required to show your Passport only, for identification purposes.

As far as I know, access to American records are done via NCIC only. Canada's CPIC is not linked to NCIC.

Canada doesn't care if you have a CHL....as long as "you left your guns at home Bill" just like the Johnny Cash song says.

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My question: If I should travel into Canada should I show my CHL at the border check point along with my passport, driver's license, registration, insurance card, etc?
No.

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Canadian customs does not have access to US information. It's not a one world government, not yet.

If you drive into Canada at 2 PM, turn around and go through duty free and re-enter the US at 3PM, you can tell the US CO that you've been in Canada for 48 hours (the minimum time for duty free purchases) and they have now way of knowing if you've been truthful or not.

Never offer anything more than your passport. The more information you offer, the more questions they ask. Your goal is to give them the minimum information to gain access to their country. In fact, only your drivers license is required by Canada, a passport is not required by Canadian law. Only the US requires the passport and many checkpoints accept your license only as well.
They must have access to some kind of info. I had a friend turned away at the border because they figured out he had a previous dui.
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They must have access to some kind of info. I had a friend turned away at the border because they figured out he had a previous dui.
Yes, and I also have friend that discovered his false charge of assault and battery was available to the Canadian officials while trying to enter Canada in the Buffalo area. He was denied access into Canada, nearly lost his job, and spent a lot of money and time trying to get the charge expunged from his record. He thought the false charge had been resolved. After much grief and embarrassment and many dollars in legal fees, all is well now. Somehow, if you have any skeletons within your closet, they know.

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They must have access to some kind of info. I had a friend turned away at the border because they figured out he had a previous dui.
They can definitely run a "Triple I" check, which which show ANY arrest you have ever had (not sure if it shows juvenile stuff).

As far as showing them a CCL? No way. Driver's license.....don't give them a reason to decide that you are "one of those undesirable Americans"


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They ARE definitely linked somehow I know of at least 3 people that are banned from entering the states for various reasons. All up here problems (2 DUI's)
So there is some sort of data sharing
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