Not sure which bike to buy next year, but it won't be a Victory - Page 6 - GL1800Riders
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post #51 of 72 (permalink) Old 01-11-2017, 12:57 PM
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As a post WWII baby boomer the graph is intriguing to me.



I bought my first motorcycle in 1970 (age 15) and owned and/or rode one continually until 1982. Like some others I took a family-years break with the result being that for 13 years I did not own a bike. However, I did take an occasional ride on a loaned steed. Hey - there are people all over with impulse buys sitting in the carport who will actually appreciate their bike being ridden before it rots due to non-use. But I digress...

When the money and time and all other things got right I reentered riding in 1995 and since then have at least one parked in a corner of the carport. At that time the wait on a Harley averaged eight months. My #1 riding bud in that period rode a 70's vintage Gold Wing, and when he signed up for a Road King he lobbied me to do the same. I wasn't as patient and was not so enamored with Harley so I stayed on my old Shadow until I moved to BMW's for a while.

Finally, and regarding the chart, among other things that says there will be some really good deals to be made on barely worn, pre-owned bikes. Victory and the others are simply dealing with the realities of drop in demand in the market.

My work keeps me in constant contact with people in a way that can be draining, so even though my "passion" to ride is not as great as it once was, riding is still my chief mental health activity. The current Gold Wing and the DL650 will likely be my last bikes.

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post #52 of 72 (permalink) Old 01-11-2017, 01:20 PM
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Here are some data for Japanese motorcycle sales
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Pretty hard to trust the data without a source or a heading on the chart indicating what location it is referencing. That said there is no secret the the decline in motorcycle sales from its peak in the early 2000s have been more severe on the less premium brand Japanese manufacturers. Most brands are selling slightly more than half of what they where selling during the peak years. There have been a lot of speculation as to why that is, one interesting take I heard just the other day is historically low gas prices. It is also the same reason Ford gave recently for it abandoning plans for a new plant to manufacture small gas saving cars. With gas prices as low as they are, there has not been a incentive for people to buy products based on fuel savings. I know that fuel saving is not a consideration for most people on this forum, but I did read in a article in a motorcycle magazine years ago that it was one of the major factors fueling the motorcycle boom of the early 2000s.

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I would very much doubt this. Victory was originally intended to acquire at least 2% of the market, that was the goal. At one point it was at 8% so the margins were great. However once Indian was introduced things changed as now Victory and Indian were in competition the dealers are not allowed to sell both in the same space so each had it's own dealer network. Indian has the name just like harley has that name recognition and the potential for high sales with Indian is much greater. This is just good business and I think they may be on the right road here. The indians are very well build just like the Victorys. Solid engineering and every bit up to Asian standards.
As far as buying a Victory - who cares. Lots of us have old bikes that are no longer in production like Valkyries, Yamaha Royal stars and I even have a 99 Excelsior-Henderson. Parts are not an issue as they are still plentiful and the bikes are almost 100% reliable. This is a passing topic and by summer it will be water under the fridge.
I wish Victory didn't go after HD as much. You are just setting yourself up for failure or best case a long hard road. Make something different for an american MC company besides the standard air cooled V-Twin cruiser. HD has that covered and I feel does it best, as far as fit and finish, aftermarket, dealer support, and not to mention the "brotherhood". It would of been one thing if the Victory line was cheaper then it's HD counterpart. Buying a new Cross Country Tour you're saving a few thousand vs. an Electric Glide Ultra Classic. On a $20+K purchase, whoopty do.

I thought with the Adventure bike thing in Europe and now taking off huge in the states, why not build one of them? They definitely have the ATV/UTV/snowmobile background to pull it off, and probably pull it off well. Heck you already got the Polaris powersports fan base. I'm sure a good share of them would be interested in a Victory ADV bike.
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I thought with the Adventure bike thing in Europe and now taking off huge in the states, why not build one of them? They definitely have the ATV/UTV/snowmobile background to pull it off, and probably pull it off well. Heck you already got the Polaris powersports fan base. I'm sure a good share of them would be interested in a Victory ADV bike.
Adventure Trikes that's where the real action is
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Adventure Trikes that's where the real action is
Hear hear!

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sad to hear this news, I have been hearing people talk now that were looking at switching to indians until this happened. They seem to have lost trust in the polaris company. Would have been cool to see a kick in the pants 113 engine on the victory line with some changes to fairing design, maybe liquid cooled. I was either predicting that or a collapse, well it seems the latter happened.
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Victory is really not that old, July 4, 1998.
No kidding. I thought it was always paraded around as the oldest or something. No wonder they killed it to keep Indian then I guess. Still, it would be nice if since they did this, they would make a few additional bikes under the Indian name that maybe weren't so gawdy. (IMO) To me, every bike they make looks like it has too much metal and is from the fifties. I get it, that's their style, but that's why someone like me would never even consider buying into that brand.

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Maybe I will buy a harley...just for $hit$ and giggles

NO BIKE CURRENTLY

I am bummed out about that, but will be looking soon again.

It went to a good home though.
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I'm confused - what area of Japanese production does the graph covers?

Honda alone builds far more bikes than on the chart.
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I don't know I had 3 of these and am picking up another one today. Quit making them in 2000. I have no fear

#1033 Excelsior-Henderson in front of the Belle Plaine motorcycle plant the predecessor to the Victory in a way as some of the top engineers went to Victory when the plant closed


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