Sorry 2WheelNut, that was actually directed to flat6bagger. Hit the quote button and started typing , passionately .
I thought that had happened. No harm... a bit of passion is good in the winter. Gotta have something to keep us appeased until spring, right?
BTW.....passion aside....I don't think either
or you are really much at odds here when you boil it all down. You're saying that a couple of respected riders have had problems with the Dunlops like we all have for years and it's not surprising to you. Flat6bagger is saying that Dunlop is a pretty big brand selling a lot of E3 and E4 tires and if they were that bad, he'd expect that people on other forums would be complaining too and he's surprised he doesn't see that trend and wondering why.
I personally can't reconcile the two points of view but that doesn't mean either is wrong, just that we don't know enough information to understand why they are different.
Moving back to what I do know. I know that I had some E3's on my Wing and they were not confidence inspiring in the wet and they started cupping on me pretty quickly too so I didn't find a lot of redeeming qualities in that particular tire. After the E3's, I wasn't too interested in trying the E4 and now that Fred and Clair say they didn't like them, it kind of confirms what I thought all along and I'm pretty sure they'll never be on my bike.
Speaking of trying new tires, I was one of the first to try the Metz 888's and I didn't like them much either. They weren't too bad in the wet, in fact the rear 888 almost gripped as well as a CT, but I didn't like the front feel much at all. I had Fred swap it out after about 2000 miles and put me a Stone 709 back on. I told Fred he could have the 888 and I think he eventually put it on and used it (but I don't know this). For whatever reason, he really likes the 888's and I don't.
All that to say that I think we'd all agree that tire choice is VERY subjective and has a lot to do with the way people ride probably 10 other factors as well. In terms of riding style, I tend to carry a lot of corner speed on corner entry and really rely on my front tire more than my rear. Others brake more for the corner and then power out more where they might demand more from the rear. Point being that someone that rides differently than me may end up with very different conclusions about a set of tires as they demand different things from them and neither of us would be wrong.
Stay passionate my friends