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post #21 of 107 (permalink) Old 03-29-2017, 01:53 PM
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Well said both are excellent touring rides it just depends on your requirements.



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I own a 2009 wing and a 2013 BMW K1600 GTL .
K1600 requires only 89 octane mid grade. I have run 87 with no knock or ping when 89 was not available.
You can do your own oil changes and routine maintenance just like a wing. Air filter is very easy. Parts are more expensive.
I am 5 foot 7 and can reach the ground flat footed with the stock low seat. There is a taller seat and a bracket under the seat to flip over and raise the seat.
I love the wing but the K1600 is much more fun to ride.
160 HP. 129 ft. lbs. torque
No the bikes are not a direct comparison.
My wife prefers the back seat on the wing. That is why I still have both bikes lol.

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You do realize that there are 2 models, right? K1600GT, which is a sport touring anf K1600GTL which is the Luxury touring version.

The L is the difference and it's a different bike and the GL1800 competitor.

The K1600GT would compare more to the Honda F6B.
The article was about the GTL. No matter, aside from the addition of a trunk and a few mm difference in the handlebar and footpeg positions, the differences are minor. That is not my opinion. Every comp article, as well as the BMW forums say the same thing.

It's ok that we differ on this. It is mostly opinion for the most part, so there is no right or wrong. What matters is what buyers think on the sales floor. The two of us obviously place a different value on the various aspects of a bike.

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If you're going to ride a two-up motorcycle cross-country in comfort with some amenities then it's a luxury touring bike. That's just my definition and several bikes fit that description. I would also think that a luxury touring bike, (Honda), would fit two helmets in the trunk.

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The article was about the GTL. No matter, aside from the addition of a trunk and a few mm difference in the handlebar and footpeg positions, the differences are minor. That is not my opinion. Every comp article, as well as the BMW forums say the same thing.

It's ok that we differ on this. It is mostly opinion for the most part, so there is no right or wrong. What matters is what buyers think on the sales floor. The two of us obviously place a different value on the various aspects of a bike.
No big deal. Just different opinions.

IMO...The GL1800 could be called a Sport Touring bike if compared to a HD Ultra or the old GL1500 but I wouldn't consider it one.

Point being...a bike can have strong performance and still not ne a sport touring bike.

Any bike with a non-detachable trunk and a passenger seat fit for a queen is not a sport - tourer to me.

PS...just a side note but the concept of "value" isn't of any relevance to me in of this discussion. I have a real sport touring bike in my garage and a Goldwing. I value them both and could go cross country on either. However, both are definitely different classes of bikes, do different things, and have different strengths and weaknesses.

Adding personal value to the conversation, here are my thoughts. I've owned a K1200LT and a previous GL1800 and I've ridden the K1600GTL a couple of times. As an honest comparison, I think the K1600GTL is a fine touring bike but the GL1800 was more comfortable for 2Up touring with my wife so we bought a replacement Wing instead of the K1600GTL.
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That 1600 BMW is a speeding ticket just waiting to happen...I've driven them both, but found myself speeding on the BMW instead of just relaxing and enjoying the smooth ride like on a Goldwing..
I choose a wing and I had money in hand when choosing my next bike (I'm on the Goldwing board not BMW as you can see and not looking back)

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If you're going to ride a two-up motorcycle cross-country in comfort with some amenities then it's a luxury touring bike. That's just my definition and several bikes fit that description. I would also think that a luxury touring bike, (Honda), would fit two helmets in the trunk.
If you're riding 2-up cross country you probably have enough stuff in the trunk where NO helmet will fit, no matter what you're riding. Or, maybe your wife doesn't pack as much as mine... 🤔
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If you're going to ride a two-up motorcycle cross-country in comfort with some amenities then it's a luxury touring bike. That's just my definition and several bikes fit that description. I would also think that a luxury touring bike, (Honda), would fit two helmets in the trunk.
Btw...2 helmets will definitely fit in a GL1800.

Maybe not 2 of every kind bit I put 2 Shoei Neotech modulars in mine fairly often.
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No thanks, in the entire state of Wisconsin there are about 2 BMW dealers that's the main reason I wouldn't buy one. Yes If your a horsepower nut The BMW would be a great choice.
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Nice bikes and lots of riders are happy with them. Big problem for me is reliability. Until BMW has demonstrated that they can build a K1600 that won't periodically leave you on the side of the road or have multiple trips to the dealer for warranty work and are money pits once out of warranty they aren't a consideration. For me.

I've been on the K1600 forum since before the bikes were even imported to the USA and there are way, WAY too many horror stories there for my comfort level.

Some riders put up with the leaking waterpumps, blown engines, broken switch gear, funky electronics, squeaking front suspension, etc, etc, and other issues because when the bike is running right it is something special.

There is a <reason> BMW only offers a 36,000 mile warranty against defects in materials or workmanship on their wonderbike .

Now that I think about it BMW motorcycles are about as reliable as their cars

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I've had a GL1500 (1999) & GL1800 (2001) and K1200GT (2006 I think).

The GL1800 has had what I'd call cosmetic changes since 2001. It is superior for 2-up touring and in my area, I really like the local GWRRA group. Plus, my son works as a mechanic for Honda. BUT, that's all the the old GL1800 beats out the BWM with.

If you look at ride, power, options, everything else, BMW is superior.

Last year I started looking for a bike again so looked at what was available in the August / September timeframe. Now, it looks like I'll be in the market for a bike next season (201.

IF Honda does NOT come out with a new Gold Wing that is superior to the current BMW in pretty much every area, I'll be purchasing a BMW. I'm just not ready to settle for technology that is 16+ years old when I can get modern equipment for the same price.
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