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post #11 of 138 (permalink) Old 04-19-2017, 10:39 AM
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I am baffled at why the experts are baffled. ABS was never made mandatory on cars. Why would they do it on motorcycles? Sounds to me like they are being consistent. Nobody should be surprised. Seems to me that the reporter was trying to create some shock value with the title to his article.

It also baffles me that motorcyclists overwhelmingly want the government to stay out of their lives, yet when it is something they want, all of a sudden they want it forced on everyone.

I'm not sure what proponents think they will gain. If ABS became mandatory, Honda would just do what they did in Europe when ABS became mandatory. They just dropped the bottom two levels, and now force everyone to get a higher priced Navi bike. Voila'. Problem solved for them.
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I have noticed so many posters responding to For Sale threads will ask if the bike has ABS....most even saying they won't consider any bike without ABS. This really makes me wonder why. What experience do they all have where they needed ABS in their riding past. Is it because they just feel safer because they are used to riding in cars with ABS?
I don't believe that "most" buyers want ABS. Look on showroom floors, on bikes where ABS is optional. More often than not, if they only stock one version, it will be the non ABS. Salesman say it is because that is what sells. They lose too many sales when they only have the ABS model. Most buyers don't want to pay extra for ABS.
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ABS on anything is a benefit be it a car or motorcycle. Personally I have never had a close call or ever had to panic brake but knowing that the technology is there offers great piece of mind and security. I am shocked at the number of comments from posters here speak of the "many times" they have had close calls while riding. If you have that many close calls you may want to investigate your own riding skills as it can't always be the other guys driving.
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Don't have and never needed ABS on my wing but I definitely wish it had ABS.

My Yamaha Tenere has ABS and it definitely saved me from going down when an elk ran out in front of me in the pouring rain, I was convinced ABS would be a very good thing to have on a motorcycle years ago and that elk incident made me a ABS lover. For cars and trucks I'm not all that impressed with ABS but for motorcycles it is an entirely different deal and in my opinion ABS should be mandatory for new motorcycles.

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In a "panic situation" that a rider just stabs the brake as hard as they can, ABS certainly is helpful. One can certainly stop as quickly with a non-abs equipped bike with practice. Many times during the riding season I practice performing high effort stops with the hope that should the situation arise, training will kick in. (The concept of training so things become first nature is well founded and works well in many cases.)
ABS is now standard on most new vehicles and at some point that should migrate down to motorcycles. The current price point of getting an ABS equipped motorcycle is still too high for many buyers. If it was a $300 option many more would likely opt for it. In the case of the Gold Wing, you have to jump up to a level 3 and spend an additional $4280 to get ABS. That's ridiculous.
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There are just too many here to quote all, but I am assuming you people who claim to have had their a$$ saved by ABS just cannot believe that a non ABS equipped bike likely saved me on numerous occasions. That's bull poop! Do I also assume you do not believe that my panic stops are on an equal level of personal doom as yours were with the ABS bikes. More bull poop.


Maybe I can say it was my superior riding skill that allowed me to avoid being a red splat on the road. I doubt it. What I can say is using BOTH front and rear brakes at the same time in any stopping situation should become second nature instead of stomping hard on the rear brakes only or using a fistful of brake lever on the front end. Those habits can make you a statistic out here.


I always use both brakes when coming to a stop and have never been able to lock up that rear brake during any panic stop. You ABS'ers will now say "well he probably hasn't been in a panic stop like I've experienced". More bull poop again!


To the poster who claims that he wouldn't ride without ABS because he lives in NJ....all I can say there is Vermonter's have to deal with people from NJ, NYC, CT, Boston, and Long Island every weekend as they roll into the state at high speed in their weekend takeover of our state. We'd all be safer if they just stayed home.


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post #17 of 138 (permalink) Old 04-19-2017, 12:11 PM
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Interesting data from Wikipedia.....

I was looking for when ABS was mandated on cars in the US.... it looks like 2013. Surprisingly not too long ago. Seems like a hollow requirement because by that time the market forces were such that all car manufactures were offering it as standard stuff anyway.
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If you think ABS is BS. You should watch the video in the thread entitled "close shave". A deer runs out into a group of riders and one guy panics and goes down. The deer never made contact with any of the bikes or riders including the one that went down. ABS would have prevented the rider from locking the rear brake.

I suppose if you're an "expert" rider you would never need ABS.

How many of you are experts?

I have ABS on both my wings and my ST1100. I will never buy another modern bike without ABS. Or, for that matter without turn signals, mandatory in 1972 on most street bikes. Without electric start. Remember all the bitching when manufactures dropped kick starters.

Anytime something new comes on the scene people always look for a down side. I even know someone who thinks mandatory rider training in Oregon is a way for the state to collect extra money!!

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So, am I safe in assuming that an ABS equipped GW will NEVER go down?
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ABS for me is simply another tool in the toolbox. Do I depend on the technology to keep me safe, no.

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