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post #31 of 41 (permalink) Old 05-09-2017, 06:39 AM
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"Its all about me !" Thats what I think about when I read some of the posts in this forum. Think about Honda and its marketing. In order to sell bikes, you have to produce something that will attract new buyers. You have already satisfied the current owner, but how about new ones ? Anyone that does any research about GWs will quickly find out that the engine/drive train are no different than they were 16 years ago and the body has changed very little except for the coyote ugly saddlebags. You can talk about dependability all you want, but new buyers want new tech. If they don't make changes to attract new buyers then they will stop making the GW.
I agree with you to a point. Familiarity can breed boredom. But I don't agree with change just for the sake of change. There is a fine line that has to be managed here. To that end, I won't argue that Honda may be leaning too far towards the conservative end of the scale.

But, it is only the geek freaks that salivate over new tech. They do not represent the mainstream. I think most riders are more conservative, and only embrace what is known to work. The success of dependability and conservative nature is evidenced by Honda's size, as opposed to the 13,000 or so bikes that BMW's high tech bikes sell in the US. That is overwhelming evidence that the majority of riders place dependability highest on the list of sought after traits. You can't downplay it.

If high tech was the name of the game, BMW would be a juggernaut.

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post #32 of 41 (permalink) Old 05-09-2017, 07:03 AM
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Regarding menu and submenu driven functions, I have to side with those that hate it. And it is generally hated by most people.

I remember back in the 80s when digital control took over audio equipment. Engineers and marketing departments got carried away with it, especially with audio receivers, and consumers revolted. Audio sales crashed because of it. People stopped buying. Digital control stayed, but manufacturers figured out how to offer it with the same feel and convenience of analog controls (rotary encoders) They brought back panels full of buttons and knobs, although they were now digitally controlled. Rarely used settings were the only functions that were found in menus. The manufacturers found that sweet spot of how to implement technology without hurting useability.

I think history is once again repeating itself. The advent of touch screen control has set off the system of insane menus and submenus once again. Manufacturers did not learn their lesson, and have once again gone too far with it. They are trying to save money by eliminating mechanical switches and controls.

Menus and submenus will never go away. There are simply too many features on today's products. But manufacturers once again need to figure out how to limit those menus to obscure functions that the rider sets and will rarely access.

Accessing menus is not the same as looking at your speedometer. Not even close. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in the same category as those that think they can text and drive. The Wing certainly has a lot of buttons. But I can access most of them without even looking away from the road, and I don't have to interpret a display while operating them, because each control has a specific function.

Touch screen controls and fancy all in one thumbwheel control is certainly high tech. But personally, I consider a perfect example of high tech that is NOT an improvement. On the contrary, I think it is a step backwards. It is a poor solution to something that is admittedly a problem with implementing more technology. Hopefully Honda agrees with me, and is working to develop something that works better when the Wing gets redesigned. There needs to be a better balance between accessing functions and creating distractions for the rider. Voice control will probably be at least part of the answer, but even that has to restrained.
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It would be nice if people could post their thoughts about topics without being chided or demeaned for expressing their opinion. Not everyone's experience or opinion is going to or should be the same. No ones opinion should be labeled silly, why not let people say what they think.
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Looking at the Info screen is no different than glancing at a speedometer. It's second nature for me. Haven't found a real reason the look at it much. It gives you instruction through headsets or external speakers.

If it was distraction to you you were fixating on it because it was new to you. Maybe you should black out all the gauges on the dash of your Wing. They are a distraction if you stare at them.

Ive got 65,000 on Harley's with the infotainment. I've never been distracted by it.

I don't care if you like the RG or not. Just some things your picking at is silly.
I understand what he is trying to say. I have 7500 miles on my Ultra with the 6.5" Boom system screen, and I STILL find it somewhat distracting. And there are some things you can't do with the toggle switches, and you HAVE to do with fingers...at least I do.

And the system IS SLOW. You have to toggle WAY too many times to sometimes get where you are headed.

I think it's a techno-geek system, designed by techno -geeks FOR techno-geeks.
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"Its all about me !" Thats what I think about when I read some of the posts in this forum. Think about Honda and its marketing. In order to sell bikes, you have to produce something that will attract new buyers. You have already satisfied the current owner, but how about new ones ? Anyone that does any research about GWs will quickly find out that the engine/drive train are no different than they were 16 years ago and the body has changed very little except for the coyote ugly saddlebags. You can talk about dependability all you want, but new buyers want new tech. If they don't make changes to attract new buyers then they will stop making the GW.
New buyers want new tech? No argument with you there. BUT, "new tech" that isn't functional and easy/quick to use and read isn't "new tech", it's BAD TECH!

I never implied that some upgrades would not be nice. I just stated that be careful what you wish for. You could wind up with a system that is so complicated it becomes almost worthless.

And don't downplay the "dependability" feature. It's still the number 1 selling factor for Goldwing, in my opinion. If the motorcycle isn't dependable enough for long distance touring, and is in and out of the shop during a trip, it really doesn't matter how many TECH features are included
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There's no reason why Honda can't do a head's up display projected onto the inside of the windscreen.
Question is would a winger be willing to pay for the additional cost of having a HUD display? I have the HUD on my GXP cage and I like it. However, there was sticker shock when I had to replace the windshield when it cracked as the windshield is not the same as those in a cage without the HUD display.
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We also have to keep in mind that "new" wing buyers are a creation of the formula derived by rider age, reaching career high earnings, and empty nesting.

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I understand what he is trying to say. I have 7500 miles on my Ultra with the 6.5" Boom system screen, and I STILL find it somewhat distracting. And there are some things you can't do with the toggle switches, and you HAVE to do with fingers...at least I do.

And the system IS SLOW. You have to toggle WAY too many times to sometimes get where you are headed.

I think it's a techno-geek system, designed by techno -geeks FOR techno-geeks.
Personally, I do not find the 6.5 Boom screen distracting. As usual, YMMV. Basically, you can do everything with the toggle/joysticks except turn the system on/off. It is much faster to access the different menus using the touch screen compared to the toggle/joysticks, and it is a major PIA using the toggle/joysticks to enter an address into the GPS.
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Question is would a winger be willing to pay for the additional cost of having a HUD display? I have the HUD on my GXP cage and I like it. However, there was sticker shock when I had to replace the windshield when it cracked as the windshield is not the same as those in a cage without the HUD display.
Probably the last thing I need on any motorcycle is a HUD. I, like most riders ride more "seat of the pants" style than by what is reflected on the instrument displays. Gauges/displays are there for occasional information updates, I don't need any of that data in my face at all times. After all, it's a motorcycle, not a jet fighter.
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