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The royal star venture has carbs. I owned a 2003 RSV. Carb city. One of the reasons I switched to GW for the FI. Yamaha dropped the ball by not coming up with upgrades along the way. The second gen (1999-2015) is basically the exact same model.
Yes I should have mentioned I was commenting on the 2017 Yamaha/Star lineup.
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Yamaha has been at the top in reliability for a couple of years now, hopefully they will produce a viable competitor to the Wing, it's always good to have choices.
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I think it would be great if they used the V-max engine,..... monster power/torque. But my guess, since the majority of the US market cannot seem to look beyond anything but a V-twin, that's what I would bet on.
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Yes were interest but only if it is not a V-Twin. Something in the 700-800 pound curb weight would be nice too. Won't buy a first year however (remember how much fun the 2001 GL1800s were?).
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Had a Yamaha Venture and overall loved it. Spent time and money to adjust it to fit both of us. One great feature - you could move the trunk forward or backward by a couple of inches. Pulled the trunk backward and wife loved the additional space. However, it was a pig - very top heavy, tough at low speeds, needed to be manhandled.
But no FI or ABS was a deal killer for me, especially after locking a rear wheel on some light gravel a couple of times.
Hopefully, Yamaha will use the good stuff from the Venture (4 cyl or more, great comfort, reliability, intuitive design for it's time) and just add updated features (FI, ABS, lower center of gravity, navi, heated grips and seats, etc). But, we'll see...

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The royal star venture has carbs. I owned a 2003 RSV. Carb city. One of the reasons I switched to GW for the FI. Yamaha dropped the ball by not coming up with upgrades along the way. The second gen (1999-2015) is basically the exact same model.
I agree, I wouldn't even consider a bike that didn't have fuel injection. FI on the 1800 was a great improvement....
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Everyone seems to want a lighter bike..... when I had my BMW GS airhead it was at about 450-500 lbs. I always thought it was way to light for long freeway travel. It was treacherous with the big trucks. I promised my next bike was gonna be a heavyweight. I think weight is good in a touring bike. I don't care if my heavy bike is slower than a jack rabbit bike.
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In 2003, Kawasaki did a survey primarily from the American Voyager Association membership, on what they'd like to see in a new Voyager. Most members at the time were on the Voyager 12 (I had bought my '90 XII in November of '02), and a few on the old space shuttle technology 1300. They had posted the results in one of the newsletters. In 2004, Kawasaki had basically said, that the new Voyager was a go, but all they would say at the time (if I recall correctly), was that it was going to be fuel injected and not a V-twin. The chairman/liason had been to Kaw in California, and had seen the engine. But mum was the word. Many had been holding off jumping ship and going with a Wing, to see what Kaw was going to do. Hopefully, a Wing killer, or at least, a Wing competitor. The only reason a Kawasaki dealer ever sold a Voyager 12, was when someone came in looking for a Wing, and couldn't afford it, didn't want to spend it, or was intimidated by it (either the 1500 or 1800) and the dealer says, "Oh, we have this thing over here in the corner/warehouse. And it's cheaper."

At the 2005 AVA rally, there was no news on the new Voyager. Shortly after, it was announced that Kaw was shelving the project indefinitely. The first wave of Voyager owners jumped over to GL1800s or anything else. Mainly Wings though. 2 or 3 years later, they said the new Voyager project had been renewed. But they absolutely let no info out until its debut. And I can't blame them. When the V-twin Vulcan Voyager 1700 was released, the second wave of Voyager owners left. I felt let down. Betrayed. The bean counters had won. They saw the money that Harley was raking in with their, ahem, "motorcycles", LOL, and decided that they too, could rake in the dough. But what they failed to understand was, that if I, or others, really wanted a V-twin cruiser/tourer, we'd already own a Harley. With their dealer network, I mean, it's like McDonald's. They're everywhere!

I hope Yamaha did it right. I won't buy one. But I hope they did it right. If Yamaha gets away from the Royal Star bagger tourer and goes full tilt mega-flagship, then maybe someone at Kaw will wake up. They'd better hurry though. The '03 GL1800 I bought a week and a half ago, has already started moving its own stuff in. Like it's going to stay a while or something. I'm not ready to share a toothbrush.............yet.

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Detuned V-max engine on an FJR type platform
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I'd be thrilled to see something like my 86 Venture with FI, the only thing I did with that bike was seat, windshield and highway pegs,it was a great bike.
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