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post #11 of 36 (permalink) Old 01-06-2017, 09:34 AM
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Larry If i can help you, just give me a call (sometimes two heads are better then one) You know I don't mind giving you a helping hand "ever"!!!

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Doesn't the registration from when it was a two-wheeler simply carry over? I don't think you'd have to re-register if you add a sidecar...

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Doesn't the registration from when it was a two-wheeler simply carry over? I don't think you'd have to re-register if you add a sidecar...
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Guys if there is one thing I know , proper torque is proper torque. I don't care if its a 6 inch torque wrench or a 40 inch torque wrench. 25 ft lbs or 40 inch lbs or 15 nm is the same on a properly calibrated torque wrench no matter what size it is. And you can take that to the bank.
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Guys if there is one thing I know , proper torque is proper torque. I don't care if its a 6 inch torque wrench or a 40 inch torque wrench. 25 ft lbs or 40 inch lbs or 15 nm is the same on a properly calibrated torque wrench no matter what size it is. And you can take that to the bank.
The tool for this job (please look at Waldos picture) extends the length at which the torque is applied. The resulting torque applied to the fastener system depends on the ratio of the torque wrench length to the length of the torque wrench+tool length.

Honda supplies both the torque they want applied to fastener and the torque that would display on the torque wrench (if 20" long) to achieve that torque on the fastener.

I believe they suggest the bar type to prevent the reduction in 'applied to fastener' vs 'displayed on wrench' that would occur if the wrench had a ratcheting head introduced and angle between wrench and tool, reducing the overall length of the torque arm. The effect of the angle was shown in the diagram that Gator had posted.


I agree, any length can be used but it will change the ratio between wrench reading and applied reading. As long as the torque arm length difference (due to the length of the arm on Honda's tool) is accounted for any torque wrench could be used. (but Honda only did the calc for a 20") .


If Honda's special tool fastened on the torque wrench directly under the square drive, like most other sockets, instead of using the extension arm, there would be no calculation's to do. (and this thread would not exist)

EDIT: They built the tool this way because during the tightening sequence it is necessary for a socket to be used at the same time as the 'special tool'.

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For what it is worth here is a link to a torque calculator that could be very helpful.

http://www.cncexpo.com/TorqueAdapter.aspx

Interesting results if you do the calculation with the "A" value at 0 degrees and then do it again at 90 degrees, the set value for the wrench changes, proves that what I was taught about putting a crowsfoot or extension adapter at 90 degrees was correct.

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Follow up question about proper torque procedure:

I today checked torque on the swingarm bearings following the procedure posted by Larry Price in the "How To" forum and steps outlined in the Honda shop manual. My '02 has about 80k miles. Torquing the left side to 25 ft lbs resulted in an additional 1/8 turn from original position; none on the right.

My question is: does ambient air temp come into play when reading torque? I'm wondering if the 32 degree temp in my garage would have effected torque reading on the pivot bolts. Lock nut torque would not appear to be nearly as important.

How about it torque experts? Is ambient temp an issue to consider?

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Larry I just read what you texted me and you said that the job was finished, was the torque off or A-ok on your bike?? Keep me posted please! If you need any help you know I'm here for you!

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I today checked torque on the swingarm bearings following the procedure posted by Larry Price in the "How To" forum and steps outlined in the Honda shop manual. My '02 has about 80k miles. Torquing the left side to 25 ft lbs resulted in an additional 1/8 turn from original position; none on the right.

My question is: does ambient air temp come into play when reading torque? I'm wondering if the 32 degree temp in my garage would have effected torque reading on the pivot bolts. Lock nut torque would not appear to be nearly as important.

How about it torque experts? Is ambient temp an issue to consider?
You don't need to be worried about the 32F.

But I'm curious why you didn't pick a nicer day.

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IF YOU PUT A 2 FOOT PIPE ON IT IT'LL " TIGHTEN "RITE UP FOR YA !!
Real men don't need no stinkin torque wrench. Just use the German torque method.....goot-n-tight.
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