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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 04-17-2017, 08:11 AM Thread Starter
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Rocky bleed question

I had the brake recall done on my '12 and while he was there, had him install speed-bleeders. Now when the bike sits for a day or two, the rear brake pedal goes nearly all the way down. Pump it a 'couple times and it's fine. My question: do I want to do the Rocky bleed first when the pedal is going all the way down, or do I want to pump it a few times, get a good pedal, and then bleed it? TIA

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Just me, I would assume the air to be collecting at or very near the high point - the location of the "Rocky bleed" and attempt doing it after an overnight sit, before touching the lever.

That said, as I recall, even Rocky reported no need to do that bleed after the recall work. And, the extra step of the Rocky bleed was AFTER following all of the normal bleed sequence. I would consider going back to the shop that performed the recall. It would appear they did not properly flush and bleed the system.

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"I had the brake recall done on my '12 and while he was there, had him install speed-bleeders."

Take it back to where you had it done.
Not doing it before and then doing it after, points to an issue caused by them.
They are responsible for the fix.

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IF the problem is air at the high point, THEN it is highly unlikely the dealership will ever effectively remedy the situation. The remedy, (Rocky bleed) is not part of Honda protocol. If the owner is mechanically inclined, I see no harm in him/her doing the extra step(s). The procedure requires the correct compression nut wrench and all due diligence to not get brake fluid on finished surfaces of the bike and to be prepared to immediately remove any brake fluid from surfaces if spilled. If the service techs follow the Honda specified technique, there will be air at that junction when they finish.


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This guy rebuilt my rear caliper at the same time. Said that was the reason the pedal was so mushy. But I just wasn't real impressed with the brake bleed. Used an air compressor with some kind of venturi set-up to draw the fluid out. Didn't seem to work real slick. Kinda thinking I'd just "Rocky bleed" it real quick and be done. Just wasn't real sure if I should do it with a weak or strong pedal.

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IF the problem is air at the high point, THEN it is highly unlikely the dealership will ever effectively remedy the situation. The remedy, (Rocky bleed) is not part of Honda protocol. If the owner is mechanically inclined, I see no harm in him/her doing the extra step(s). The procedure requires the correct compression nut wrench and all due diligence to not get brake fluid on finished surfaces of the bike and to be prepared to immediately remove any brake fluid from surfaces if spilled. If the service techs follow the Honda specified technique, there will be air at that junction when they finish.


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I agree. I have talked with him before (BS'n) and he didn't seem to know what a Rocky Bleed was.

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Few people outside of the dedicated forums will have a chance to know. Remember, the chief symptom the extra steps remediate is the hot weather rear brake only shudder. Honda techs will tell you that is normal and to always use both brake lever/peddle together to avoid the shudder. Having a very high and firm initial rear brake peddle response is something we tend to overlook on a new bike. I rode mine for years thinking my rear brake peddle was OK before Rocky introduced us to the extra steps. With all of the air out, the peddle is way up when making firm brake pressure and no more shudder.


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I had my dealer bleed the brakes and it was after that I started getting the shudder. I put in speed bleeders, rebled the system but wasn't able to do the "high point" in the system cause I couldn't find it. Can someone tell me where it is so I can go back and bleed the brakes again and get it all done at once? I hate having that shudder and would love to get rid of it once and for all.

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Try this: Rocky Brake Bleed

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