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    I have a question about gear requirements for motorcycles on a military base. I'm specifically interested in Camp Pendelton if regulations differ on various bases.

    My SO is in San Diego ready to attend her son's graduation from boot camp. She's there on her motorcycle and wants to make sure she will be able to ride her motorcycle onto the base. Does anyone know the details other than current DL/Registration/Insurance, what is required to get on base? She's already wearing jeans, boots covering the ankles, armored jacket, gloves(mesh) and the state mandated helmet.

    Is a reflective vest required? If so, other than Big5 or other hunting stores, any good suggestions where to get one?
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    It's been years however I was stationed in VA and my dad drove 3,000 miles from WA state. The gate guard told him he had to go through the base mandated course. He had to have a reflective vest etc. A chief showed up and told the E-2 after 3,000 miles a break could be given and my dad rode on/off base for 3 days with no problems. If I remember he had to go get a base temp sticker. You might want to contact the base itself check out the website
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    Quote Originally Posted by John805 View Post
    You might want to contact the base itself check out the website
    I checked the website to try to call, but the phone number page kept reloading, but I managed to get the general info number.. 760-925-4111.

    If there's someone specific/department to ask for I would appreciate any suggestions.
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    I just stayed at a couple of bases in California and each base can enforce different things. The worst was Monterey Naval Postgraduate School, they required all the items you listed, plus you have to show them a Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) card, which I don't carry with me. They won't let you in without it. What I would do is contact the base and ask to speak to someone at the Front gate to see what is exactly required per local regulations.

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    I do not think there is a military installation that does not require a vest. Here at Elmendorf AFB, if riding 2-up, both must wear a vest.

    Additionally, bases require boots, gloves, long sleeves and eye protection and of course, a helmet.

    For a base pass, they always ask for drivers license with M/C endorsement, registration and proof of insurance.

    As for which vest, the Icon Mil-Spec Mesh Vest meets all military installation requirements regarding colors and reflective areas.
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    I think if she's just going in on a visitor's pass for graduation... they'll let her pass w/o the MSF course proof. But I can guarantee they'll require a high-vis jacket or vest along with the other stuff she already has.

    If you can find the phone number for the base Provost Marshal Office (PMO), that'll be the place you want to call for requirements. Make sure you tell them she's only wanting a 1-day pass as a visitor for the graduation ceremony. They'll probably be a little more lax on any requirements for that than they would be for just regular business.
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    I do not know if these are DOD regs or just Navy, but here on the east coast (NAVY)

    - Over ankle boots
    - gloves
    - eye protection (full shield or glasses with helmet)
    - long sleeve shirt (jacket no longer required)
    - helmet of course

    - if not Navy I recommend reflective vest as its better be safe than sorry, easy to put on and take off and this rule only changed for navy within the last year or so, alot of folks still wear them.
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    Military is the military, rules and rules and regulations are regulations. No exceptions, that is the way everyone is programmed.

    Yep you gotta have a reflective hi viz vest, does not matter if you already have a hi viz reflective bright yeller jacket, still gotta have a vest !!

    No need to arque with the fellow at the gate, not going to work, go get a vest.

    Watch the speed limit on military bases too, they are sticklers for that.

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    Your right a base is a base but the Marine Corps Bases are not as the Air Forces or Army I have rode on many of the Army and Air Forces Bases and nver had any theing but my colors (EGA and retired) go to a Marine and the they stop me and I have to put my reflective vest on, and they give me a visitor pass.

    So if This person in question is visiting her son she can have the all the stuff on and a reflective vest and get a visitor pass if all the other documents are up to date, as long as she is not trying to stay on base for more then a day at a time. Now it you are talking for several days then she might have to due the course. I have been retired for 22 years now and things have changed.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by glarson3 View Post
    I have a question about gear requirements for motorcycles on a military base. I'm specifically interested in Camp Pendelton if regulations differ on various bases.

    My SO is in San Diego ready to attend her son's graduation from boot camp. She's there on her motorcycle and wants to make sure she will be able to ride her motorcycle onto the base. Does anyone know the details other than current DL/Registration/Insurance, what is required to get on base? She's already wearing jeans, boots covering the ankles, armored jacket, gloves(mesh) and the state mandated helmet.

    Is a reflective vest required? If so, other than Big5 or other hunting stores, any good suggestions where to get one?
    Navy Regs say a vest is only required at night. Other than the gear you mentioned (all required) don't forget eye protection. A windshield without specific eye protection won't cut it.
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    New regs have come out from DoD and all installations are requiring riders to have long sleeves, gloves, helmet, reflective type of material, proof of insurance, proof of MSF (BRC or ERC) training, over the ankle leather shoes, safety eyewear (must wrap around) or face shield. Wind screens don't cut it, scrip glasses don't cut it, must wrap around the face.

    those of us who ride here at NSA Crane, are being sent back to school every three years (free, so why fight it?) It's ATTGATT for us here all of the time.
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    Greetings!

    Aberdeen Proving Grounds (Army) requires full gear, a reflective vest, and a MSF card at all times, day or night, civilian or active duty.
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    Maybe this will help.

    http://www.pendleton.usmc.mil/inform...baseaccess.asp

    What do I need for my vehicle to access base?

    Decals are issued to military personnel and their authorized family members, DoD government employees, as well as Common Access Card (CAC) authorized civilian contractors. All vehicles are subject to installation rules and regulations. Those are what I couldn't find. Visitors must provide current liability insurance, current registration and proof of valid drivers license.

    Who can I contact if I have more questions?

    Contact the Base Access Control Branch at (760) 763-1220.

    Provost Marshal Office (Military Police)725-3888 Desk Sergeant763-2077/2076

    Tried to drill down better on their web page without luck. The PMO # will be your best bet.

    Wally World has safety reflective vests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F-111F View Post
    I just stayed at a couple of bases in California and each base can enforce different things. The worst was Monterey Naval Postgraduate School, they required all the items you listed, plus you have to show them a Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) card, which I don't carry with me. They won't let you in without it. What I would do is contact the base and ask to speak to someone at the Front gate to see what is exactly required per local regulations.
    When I traded bikes, I tried to get a new base sticker for the new bike. They said I had to have a MSF card no more than three years old. I had to take a course and get a new card to get the sticker.
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    what the person is asking is can she visit and what she needs, to visit every thing you folks are saying I am not sure a one days requires all you folks are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glarson3 View Post
    I have a question about gear requirements for motorcycles on a military base. I'm specifically interested in Camp Pendelton if regulations differ on various bases.

    My SO is in San Diego ready to attend her son's graduation from boot camp. She's there on her motorcycle and wants to make sure she will be able to ride her motorcycle onto the base. Does anyone know the details other than current DL/Registration/Insurance, what is required to get on base? She's already wearing jeans, boots covering the ankles, armored jacket, gloves(mesh) and the state mandated helmet.

    Is a reflective vest required? If so, other than Big5 or other hunting stores, any good suggestions where to get one?
    Hi,
    I'm retired Navy, and still work on base as a Civilian DOD employee now. Here is what is actually required:
    Since you are only visiting for a boot camp graduation, you will need to get a temporary vehicle pass for you bike(have registration, insurance, license and another form of ID) at the gate.
    What you need to wear: over ankle shoes(boot type), long pants, long sleeves(shirt, jacket, whatever)(reflective vest only if it is after sunset or before sunrise), DOT approved helmet, gloves, eye protection (face shield or wrap around glasses).
    Thats it, if you have any questions, PM me. Call the base ahead of time to find out exactly where to get your temporary vehicle pass at. Keep in mind the base has the right to search you and your bike upon entering base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glarson3 View Post
    I have a question about gear requirements for motorcycles on a military base. I'm specifically interested in Camp Pendelton if regulations differ on various bases.

    My SO is in San Diego ready to attend her son's graduation from boot camp. She's there on her motorcycle and wants to make sure she will be able to ride her motorcycle onto the base. Does anyone know the details other than current DL/Registration/Insurance, what is required to get on base? She's already wearing jeans, boots covering the ankles, armored jacket, gloves(mesh) and the state mandated helmet.

    Is a reflective vest required? If so, other than Big5 or other hunting stores, any good suggestions where to get one?
    Might I suggest that you contact the base for specifics regarding civilian motorcycling guidelines. There is a directive regarding base personnel (see http://www.i-mef.usmc.mil/meu/15thme...05101%207D.pdf ). It reads in typical military styled composition.
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    Military or not, You are required to have

    - MFS endorsement
    - Motorcycle endorsment on license
    - Over ankle boots
    - gloves
    - wrap around eye protection (full shield or glasses with helmet)
    - long sleeve shirt (jacket no longer required but highly reccomended)
    - DOT helmet of course
    - At night or early morning you are required to wear a reflective vest or clothing, Reflective piping is not authorized.
    - Insurence and registration is a must.

    But like you said, its different base to base, The only item that Im not sure on is MSF endorsment on a visiting civilian, but I can assure you everything else is required.

    You can call this number which is the office who issues the passes and ask them, Good luck and Congrats. 760-725-2768 (Pass and ID)
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    Ok I must be losing the meaning of the question. Reg for Visitors is not the same for people that are looking for a base sricker.

    The differences are not much, but there is a difference for example if you drive a car on base to get a base sticker you must have lots of things for example you have to have proof you belong on the base and have a need to be on and off the base for an extended period of time if you do not have an active sticker from another Base.

    If you have never had a base sticker or you do not have an active base sticker and you want drive on base for a reason such as graduation a visitor will work as long as you have the proper documents DI, insurance,and what else is required by the state the motorcycle is registered in. So motorcycle Classes are not for the people here today gone in 20 minutes..........

    Now saying that things have changed I have been retired for 22 years but I don't think it has changed that much.

    I think you need to call the Base and be sure to ask them for information for a visitors pass regarding a Motorcycle for the purpose to visit for Private (what ever the Marines name is ) graduation.

    Because all these folks are tell you what is needed to get a sticker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusty74 View Post
    Ok I must be losing the meaning of the question. Reg for Visitors is not the same for people that are looking for a base sricker.

    The differences are not much, but there is a difference for example if you drive a car on base to get a base sticker you must have lots of things for example you have to have proof you belong on the base and have a need to be on and off the base for an extended period of time if you do not have an active sticker from another Base.

    If you have never had a base sticker or you do not have an active base sticker and you want drive on base for a reason such as graduation a visitor will work as long as you have the proper documents DI, insurance,and what else is required by the state the motorcycle is registered in. So motorcycle Classes are not for the people here today gone in 20 minutes..........

    Now saying that things have changed I have been retired for 22 years but I don't think it has changed that much.

    I think you need to call the Base and be sure to ask them for information for a visitors pass regarding a Motorcycle for the purpose to visit for Private (what ever the Marines name is ) graduation.

    Because all these folks are tell you what is needed to get a sticker.

    BTW tell him and Semper Fi
    I just got off the phone with the gate guard, and like I suspected you will need all PPE, DL, Proof of Insurence and REG. the only item not required is MSF. MSF endorsement is required for all DOD component.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbomb View Post
    Keep in mind the base has the right to search you and your bike upon entering base.
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    This goes without saying, but it must be said none the less. If you travel with a CCW firearm typically, leave it at home or secured with a local gun shop. Don't even think of going onboard base with a firearm even stowed safety in the bike. If that random check happens, that graduation is going to happen with you outside, looking in, rather than attending. Not to mention a whole world of trouble hanging over your head. Just a FYI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitaniumStallion View Post
    I just got off the phone with the gate guard, and like I suspected you will need all PPE, DL, Proof of Insurence and REG. the only item not required is MSF. MSF endorsement is required for all DOD component.
    What's PPE? I'm just not sure if she has her MSF endorsement with her. She took the course.

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    Here in Connecticut at the Coast Guard Academy .. AND .. at the Submarine BAse .. the regulations are very simple ...

    1) Helmet w/ reflective sticker (sometimes they'll let the sticker thing slide)
    2) long sleeve shirt (no t-shirt)
    3) long pants (no shorts)
    4) boots (NO SNEAKERS)
    5) license with motorcycle endorsement (shown upon entry)
    6) proof of insurance (only if asked)

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    Quote Originally Posted by glarson3 View Post
    What's PPE?
    Personal Protective Equipment me thinks.


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    Call the base you are visiting and speak to Provo marshall/Mps. Ask what is required for base visit on a motorcycle. Do not rely on what other bases or branches require or what some one on the board has told you. Better to be right than to be sorry.

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    My suggestion is to call Pendleton for their specific requirements. Bases are different and each service is different.

    For example, Camp Lejeune, New River MCAS and Cherry Point MCAS don't require a vest. Leadership decided the vests were not that effective.

    Other PPE (personal protective equipment) required is: DOT helmet, long sleeve upper garment, long pants, eye protection, gloves and sturdy shoes (boots preferred).

    How do I know all this? I work report for duty each morning at either Lejeune or Cherry Point.

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    No need to call the base. All are the same and are adopted from the DODI. Here's an exert from the Marine instruction,

    c. Personal Protective Equipment (PPE)
    (1) The following PPE is mandatory for all persons operating
    or riding as a passenger on a motorcycle on DoD installations, and
    for all military personnel operating or riding on a motorcycle off
    installations, on and off road, in uniform or civilian clothes:
    (a) A properly fastened (under the chin) protective helmet
    which meets the standards of the Snell Memorial Foundation (SNELL),
    the American National Standards Institute (ANSI), or the Department
    of Transportation (DOT).
    (b) Impact or shatter resistant goggles or full-face
    shield attached to the helmet. A windshield, eyeglasses or fairing
    alone is not considered proper eye protection.
    (c) A brightly colored outer upper garment during the day
    and a reflective upper garment at night or a commercially available
    mesh/fabric vest that is bright yellow, international orange or lime
    green with two 1 1/2" to 2" wide vertical or horizontal retroeflective
    strips front and back. The vest is authorized for wear by
    Marines in uniform, and should be removed as soon as the Marine gets
    off the motorcycle. The garment must not be covered or concealed,
    such as by a backpack.
    (d) Hard-soled shoes with heels. The use of leather boots
    or over the ankle shoes is encouraged.
    (e) Properly worn long-sleeved shirt or jacket, longegged
    trousers and full-fingered gloves or mittens.

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    I taught MSF course for all branches of the US military for years and assisted in the United States Marine Corps Combat Courier course in Okinawa for a couple of years.
    All of the PPE requirements for on-road has remained the same for decades since the DOD Instructions adopted the US Navy's most stringent requirements. The USAF Safety Agency wanted to emphasize education since it's easy to hide in traffic while wearing day-glow orange and also easy to stand out in traffic while wearing all black but that was shot down.
    Off-road PPE has been revised over the years and on-road probably will be revised to include armor. I've heard rumors the Air Mobility Command at Scott AFB may be trying to do just that.

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    Darksider #398

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