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    Default Do trailers have pink slips? (Zephyr)

    I found a Zephyr for sale. It's not plated or registered and here is the owner's story:

    It was given to them by a friend of the family who bought it new and never used it because his wife still wouldn't go on trips with him. The clear coat is peeling because it was just sitting on the side of the house. They bought a hitch for their Harley with the intention of using it, but they never got the hitch installed and decided they aren't going to use it.

    I've never owned any sort of trailer so I'm wondering:

    1) Do trailers like this have pink slips?
    2) Does a Zephyr have a VIN? (if so, where is it located, she said she didn't see one)

    My obvious concern is to make sure it's legit, not stolen, and that I can register it. Any advice is welcome.

    I intend on calling cyclemate/timeouttrailers tomorrow when they are open, but I'm still hoping to get some info here.

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    Every state has a different rule and system

    Arkansas has a tittle, and a lifetime plate

    ok and texas just doesnt seem to care, and all you get is a bill of sale from a used purchase

    check your state for sure

    once you pay your trailer, its your job to get a title, it took me 5 months recently to get one out of texas into arkansas

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    I believe they do, but in Indiana, its just as easy to have it inspected by an officer, create a VIN, and get it tagged if it doesn't have a title or Cert of Origin....

    No clue on the VIN, but usually every manufactured vehicle has one, and if it was hand-built, one will have to be created for it by the State. Check underneath the tongue for the VIN...

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    As said above,states differ.Washington has a title,plate and a tab that has to be renewed anually.
    I'm sure there's a vin somewhere.
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    I only needed a bill of sale no title required because of the trailer size.
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    Thanks a lot all. I had the current owner check by the toung where the weights are posted, but there's no vin there.

    I'll check with the manufacturer tomorrow and if they say there is no VIN, then I'll feel just fine about it.

    I'll post pics as soon as I join the club ... hopefully tomorrow!

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    I received the original "Certificate of Origin" with my 99 Hannigan that I purchased last month. It was issued by the manufacturer and looks similar to an automotive title. Information such as empty and gross weight, model description serial number etc were included. Also an area to transfer ownership is provided on the document.

    Knowing that all I needed was a bill of sale to register in Texas, I also had a BOS signed and notarized before taking possession of the trailer. Better to have more than needed I always say.....

    For registration in Texas, all I needed was a bill of sale since the trailer was under 4000#. DMV had no interest in the Cert of origin.

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    In MN you can get a plate for a bobcat trailer with a sales invoice. A homemade semi trailer will need to be inspected and a VIN number created at Motor Vehicles dept.



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    I spoke with the manufacturer this morning and it seems timeouttrailers bought cyclemate in 2005. Since 2005, they have put the VIN near the tongue, but she doesn't know where they may have been before that.

    Another indicator that it is a pre 2005 model is that the wiring harness is flat and not round like the rest of the timeout line.

    It would sure be nice to hear from a pre 2005 owner of a Zephyr on if there's a VIN and where it is located.

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    Just a thought, call CA - DMV, if you can get an actual person on the line, they should be able to tell you. I for one personally thank you for being cautious about purchasing something from a private party without proof of ownership

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    Post some photos. There were a number of people that ordered fiberglass bodies form Europe and made their own chassis for them and sold them under various names.

    Some Chassis were bad, and some a lot worse. Could be one of those.

    Here is a photo of one of the really bad chassis.

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    I would steer clear of this deal.......to many "what ifs" involved....Every trailer still has to be compliant with the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Admin) whether it has to be registered (and or Titled) in any state or not.

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    I would Pass on buying that trailer.

    I recently bought my first trailer (a used Piggy Backer), and had a terrible time trying to register it in CA due to a damaged VIN number on the ID plate. It took me 4 trips to AAA, CHP and DMV to finally get a new number assigned to it... nobody seemed to know what to do with a motorcycle trailer. What saved the day was that I had the original bill of sale from the Mfr to the previous owner, as well as another bill of sale from them to myself. In the end we got a supervisor to pretend that the original VIN number did not exist, and treated it as if it was home built.

    If you Do want that trailer, then probably a good idea to first contact the DMV and ask their guidance..
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    Thanks Tom, I saw your post just before I left and it's definitely not that one. This is more like a plane ole "T" shape.

    This morning I called Timeout Trailers and they said they put the VINs near the tongue, but weren't sure where previous to 2005 when they bought cyclemate out.

    With the help of a former Zephyr owner, (thanks blizardj!) we were able to locate the VIN on the bottom.

    When I saw the trailer, the story they gave me all seemed to check out. The clearcoat was pealing from sitting out in the sun for years, yet the tires still had the ruber spikes poking out all over them as if it was never towed. We filled out a bill of sale which she put her driver's license info on in front of me. I felt pretty good about the transaction then.

    Long story short, I bought the trailer, got an awesome DMV agent (super lucky) who worked with me to get everything transferred over. I walked out with a permanent plate.

    What a relief!

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    Code1 - Glad it worked out. My father built me an awesome utility trailer many years back. The California DMV inspected the trailer to insure it was legal as far as lights go and then gave me an aluminum VIN tag that was stamp embossed with the VIN in black ink and a certificate of title and registration. The plates were required to be renewed and fees paid at the same interval as regular cars and trucks.

    About 6 years ago they issued me permanent plates so they no longer ding me every so often for new tags. The only yank is that the ink on the metal VIN tag faded/wore off and then the adhesive finally let loose in the desert heat. I have never been stopped towing the trailer so I don't think it is a big issue. As long as I have the registration for the trailer in hand, I doubt they would ever look for the VIN number.

    Having the VIN on an adhesive lable is pretty stupid in the first place. It could be easily removed and stuck on another trailer that had been stolen. My guess is that most trailers are not worth much so they put little effort in making sure they are traceable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coder1 View Post
    I found a Zephyr for sale. It's not plated or registered and here is the owner's story:

    1) Do trailers like this have pink slips?
    2) Does a Zephyr have a VIN? (if so, where is it located, she said she didn't see one)

    I intend on calling cyclemate/timeouttrailers tomorrow when they are open, but I'm still hoping to get some info here.
    I had a Cycle Mate which also made the Zypher. The VIN on the CM2000 was on the tongue just in front of the body. Their Chrome tongue is a cover you have to remove to get to the VIN tag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Finch View Post
    Here is a photo of one of the really bad chassis.

    Tom,
    I have never seen torsion suspension set up that way. Looks backwards to me I may be wrong (but I don't think so). I wouldn't buy or pull it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by coder1 View Post
    The clearcoat was pealing from sitting out in the sun for years, yet the tires still had the ruber spikes poking out all over them as if it was never towed.
    Replace your trailer's tires ASAP. I learned the hard way from my boat trailer that trailer tires rot on the inside especially if exposed to the elements. I had two tires blow that looked new but were over 4 years old. I did a lot of research on trailer tires in general, and learned to replace them every 2 or 3 years regardless of how much use they show because of the inside rot damage. They may look new on the outside but don't let that fool you, there might be trouble on the inside.
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    Thanks wing-renter. That is something I did not even think about because they look so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coder1 View Post
    Thanks wing-renter. That is something I did not even think about because they look so good.
    This was interesting. Because of your post, I chased down what CA wants for trailers and plates. Seems like CA has a 'Permanent Trailer Identification' program in place. You get a Permanent Plate good for 5 years that costs $20, then a renewal every five years for $5. Pretty good for CA. Oregon gives you a choice, with no registration or plates if under 2000 pounds, and Washington nails you with a sales tax, plates, etc every year.

    And, definately dump the old shoes. Good idea to repack and check the bearings, also. Wiring up to snuff, or is it full of butt connectors, wire taps, and old and brittle? Also, welcome to the 55MPH while towing club while in CA.
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    In Washington,you only pay sales tax when you buy the trailer.We have a 30.00$ flat fee plus,thanks to our govenor a 10$ tonnage tax on cars and motorcycles and trailers.you have to replace the plates every 7 years on all vehicles.

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    I bought a new Zephyr in 03 and at the time they were made in Egerton MN so I went to the factory to pick the trailer up.Terry Tinklenberg was the owner of cycle mate at that time.I reciecved a bill of sale that has the serial number on it but I think it is located under the tongue cover.So I do have an invoice and bill of sale for the trailer but I recall that the license beraue had some problems when getting it lcensed the firs time do to no official title.These papers were given to the owner in a plastic case labeled Cycle Mate (Please keep MCO for future use.) DO NOT DESTROY so there is offical papers for the trailer somewhere.

    Hope this helps

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