Install Dynabeads and how they work...

[ben721364]

I do not subscribe and haven't seen the article; though I have wondered why beads are not endorsed by tire manufacturers...

Originally Posted by winglvr

See page 5 of Feb 2010 Motorcycle Consumer News. From the article:

"Bottom line: Save your money for a proper spin balance."

That being said, seemed to work great on my Rune...

[ben721364]

Originally Posted by pinkp8ther

Will they wirk on a cage. My wife is always throwing the weights on our van.

TIA,
Larry

Is she scraping the weights off by hitting curbs, etc.? Otherwise, you might want to talk with the balancing technician.

[cowboy0707]

Originally Posted by Phat Chance

marbles would work nicely in a giant tire like one off of a 747. But, they would be a very crowded in a little motorcycle tire.

Friend of mine has a jeep cj 7 with hugh rock climbing tires. To balance them, he put 6 golf balls inside each tire. Says they act the same as dyna beads and works like a charm.

[Just Joey]

I've seen several threads with folks asking about Dyna Beads and how
to install them. I was putting some in my front tire today and thought
I would try to video the way I do it. It's nothing fancy. I might make
a better one another day with better lighting. I've put it on Youtube
& Photo Bucket.

You Tube

http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...eadInstall.flv

[laj48]

I have installed them buy blowing them in through valve stem I have also installed them buy dropping the whole bag in before seating tire. The bags will break open and not cause problems. There was no sign of bag when I removed the worn tire.


Th

[Bret in Houston]

That was a great video.

[ben721364]

I suppose I would be willing to try dynabeads if traditional balancing methods did not work well for me. As it is, they seem like too much work! One tire company race engineer recently told me that they sometimes work fairly well on large truck tires but less wel on smaller tires. His company does not recommend them. I don't know of a tire manufacturer that does...

[211Chuck]

Originally Posted by ben721364

I suppose I would be willing to try dynabeads if traditional balancing methods did not work well for me. As it is, they seem like too much work! One tire company race engineer recently told me that they sometimes work fairly well on large truck tires but less wel on smaller tires. His company does not recommend them. I don't know of a tire manufacturer that does...

From all my testing using Dyna Beads I'd have to agree
100% with your engineer friends. My tire engineer
buddies told me the samething but they also told me
to try them for fun and let them know my results.

My results tell me for your average Wing owner who
never see's triple digit riding they will be happy with
them. For the rest of us who ride the wheels off our
Wings and run triple digits everyday they are total
junk and don't work at all at high speeds.

YRMV

[Buckskin]

I have been installing Dyna Beads for at least 4 years now, in my exchange chrome wheels I sell to board members. Couple of things, Dyna beads does not recommend just throwing the bag inside to install them.
As for using the bottle and hose, get a hose piece about 18" long and let the beads slowly fall into the loop as you hold the bottle closer to the valve stem. Then pull it up and let the beads stream into the stem. Use a screw driver handle to tap the valve stem to keep them flowing. Using the small hose will cause the beads to "slug" the valve stem and fill it up.
Buckskin

Originally Posted by laj48

I have installed them buy blowing them in through valve stem I have also installed them buy dropping the whole bag in before seating tire. The bags will break open and not cause problems. There was no sign of bag when I removed the worn tire.


Th

[Ed Z]

Wonder why using a fluid wouldn’t work equally as well... And it would be far cheaper as well as not pose any wear issues inside the tire... If it were a light weight oil it might even reduce (or prevent) oxidation as well... Would just need to insure the oil type was compatible with the rubber... Might someone with extra time on their hands, give the spinning soda bottle test a try using a fluid.??? Would be real interesting to see the results comparison between dynabeads and the same weight of water...

[Phat Chance]

Oil wouldn't work, I'm sure that it could cause the tire to spin on the wheel. That wouldn't be too good. Mecury on the other hand might be the answer but then that is another problem.

[flaflattop]

I use them in all my bikes! I use a foot long tube and my compressor to install them. Works for me! I wish I had them "back in the day" when I was a factory Indian board track racer!!

[ben721364]

What about lead weights on wheels? Will they work too? <g>

Originally Posted by Phat Chance

Oil wouldn't work, I'm sure that it could cause the tire to spin on the wheel. That wouldn't be too good. Mecury on the other hand might be the answer but then that is another problem.

[Tazman624]

I had new Stones installed by a friend. He has a very nice tire changer set up.

I told him I had the Dyna Beads. He uses the Centramatic units (very nice but very expensive) and says he will not do installs for me if I use the Dyna Beads as they will get all over his basement floor when we break the wheels down again. I must say I completely understand.

Is there a safe and easy way to get them out without spilling them all over the floor.

[ben721364]

Vacuum cleaner? Maybe just throw the wheel/tire assembly in the landfill.

Originally Posted by Tazman624

I had new Stones installed by a friend. He has a very nice tire changer set up.

I told him I had the Dyna Beads. He uses the Centramatic units (very nice but very expensive) and says he will not do installs for me if I use the Dyna Beads as they will get all over his basement floor when we break the wheels down again. I must say I completely understand.

Is there a safe and easy way to get them out without spilling them all over the floor.

[Bucfan11]

Originally Posted by Tazman624

I had new Stones installed by a friend. He has a very nice tire changer set up.

I told him I had the Dyna Beads. He uses the Centramatic units (very nice but very expensive) and says he will not do installs for me if I use the Dyna Beads as they will get all over his basement floor when we break the wheels down again. I must say I completely understand.

Is there a safe and easy way to get them out without spilling them all over the floor.

Glad he is not my friend...not much of a friend to you either.

[ben721364]

Huh?

Originally Posted by Bucfan11

Glad he is not my friend...not much of a friend to you either.

[Phat Chance]

I change them all of the time and never spill any of them. I guess if you are not on top of the game then you spill them all over the floor.

[Buckskin]

I like that! if you know they are in there, just take your time and move the tire around so it is on the other side and you can spin the tire off without spilling many, if at all.
Buckskin

Originally Posted by Phat Chance

I change them all of the time and never spill any of them. I guess if you are not on top of the game then you spill them all over the floor.

[ben721364]

Originally Posted by Buckskin

I like that! if you know they are in there, just take your time and move the tire around so it is on the other side and you can spin the tire off without spilling many, if at all.
Buckskin

How much time does it take to balance a tire with dynabeads as opposed to balancing with a conventional balancer and lead weights? How does the balance of the tire/wheel assembly compare between the methods? Does it cost more, or less? These questions presume equal competence on the part of the technicians.

[Phat Chance]

You don't add weight to a tire with dyna beads. They take the place of weights.

[ben721364]

Originally Posted by Phat Chance

You don't add weight to a tire with dyna beads. They take the place of weights.

Are the dino beads made of magiconium, or what?

[Phat Chance]

Originally Posted by ben721364

Are the dino beads made of magiconium, or what?

Ben, I have no knowlege of "DINO" beads. I do have experience with "Dyna Beads" and they are made of ceramic. Since you are so sceptical and uninformed, check this out.

You Tube

They do work very well by the way.

[ben721364]

The 'bottle demo was fun to watch. I'm still trying to figure out how it relates to a tire/ wheel. That said, I suppose I am somewhat "skeptical". More to the mark, I see the beads as an answer to an unasked question. Conventional tire balancing methods have served me very well.

Perhaps you can shed light on (answer) the questions I raised in my post # 50, above? "How much time does it take to balance a tire with dynabeads as opposed to balancing with a conventional balancer and lead weights? How does the balance of the tire/wheel assembly compare between the methods? Does it cost more, or less? These questions presume equal competence on the part of the technicians.

Originally Posted by Phat Chance

Ben, I have no knowlege of "DINO" beads. I do have experience with "Dyna Beads" and they are made of ceramic. Since you are so sceptical and uninformed, check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq263AYgyYg

They do work very well by the way.

[Phat Chance]

OK, Ben...
There is another product that uses the same technolgy. Spinning balls inside the wheel, jug or a tube accomplishes the same thing. I don't know what others charge for balancing wheels and tires. I charge 20.00 bucks to mount and balance tires. I had someone who thought the beads didn't work so.... I put 2 oz of weight on a balanced wheel and showed the customer that the wheel was out of balance. He rode the bike and agreed that the wheel was shaking. I added 2 oz of beads and left the out-of-balance weights on the wheel and he rode the bike again. the bike was smooth as silk.

chew on this one if the spinning bottle didn't make the light come on.

You Tube

[ben721364]

Perhaps you can shed light on (answer) the questions I raised in my post # 50, above? "How much time does it take to balance a tire with dynabeads as opposed to balancing with a conventional balancer and lead weights? How does the balance of the tire/wheel assembly compare between the methods? Does it cost more, or less? These questions presume equal competence on the part of the technicians.

Originally Posted by Phat Chance

OK, Ben...
There is another product that uses the same technolgy. Spinning balls inside the wheel, jug or a tube accomplishes the same thing. I don't know what others charge for balancing wheels and tires. I charge 20.00 bucks to mount and balance tires. I had someone who thought the beads didn't work so.... I put 2 oz of weight on a balanced wheel and showed the customer that the wheel was out of balance. He rode the bike and agreed that the wheel was shaking. I added 2 oz of beads and left the out-of-balance weights on the wheel and he rode the bike again. the bike was smooth as silk.

chew on this one if the spinning bottle didn't make the light come on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ullnF...eature=related

[Phat Chance]

The time it takes to balance the wheel and tire with lead weights takes me a minute or two. Adding Dyna Beads to the wheel before I air it up takes 10 seconds. If you add Dyna Beads throught the valve stem to a wheel and tire that are already mounted, it takes 10 to 15 minutes.

If you want to add beads to your bike you can do it without taking the tires and wheels off the bike. They can be inserted through the valve stem. (with the valve core removed) I have found that if you buy a long (2~3 foot) clear hose and add a few beads at the time and hit the hose with a blast of compressed air, you can blow the beads into the tire in short order.

[ben721364]

Thank you for sharing your experience. Can you help with my other questions from above?, " How does the balance of the tire/wheel assembly compare between the methods? Does it cost more, or less? These questions presume equal competence on the part of the technicians."

Put another way, what would I gain from using beads as opposed to conventional balancing methods and would it be cost-effective?I have read lots of praise for the beads but as yet have not yet seen empirical evidence that convinces me to replace the tried and true with them. I am, as those who know me could tell you, open to change when convinced that a change makes sense.

Originally Posted by Phat Chance

The time it takes to balance the wheel and tire with lead weights takes me a minute or two. Adding Dyna Beads to the wheel before I air it up takes 10 seconds. If you add Dyna Beads throught the valve stem to a wheel and tire that are already mounted, it takes 10 to 15 minutes.

If you want to add beads to your bike you can do it without taking the tires and wheels off the bike. They can be inserted through the valve stem. (with the valve core removed) I have found that if you buy a long (2~3 foot) clear hose and add a few beads at the time and hit the hose with a blast of compressed air, you can blow the beads into the tire in short order.

[Phat Chance]

Beads cost a few dollars more. What other folks charge, well I have no idea. I don't charge anything extra for lead weights but I do charge for the beads (unless the customer supplies them)

The biggest advantage with the beads or the centramatic sustem is they constantly adjust to the out-of -balance condition of the tire where lead weights can't. As tires wear, the balance of the tire changes, beads compensate and lead weights can't. If you had something stick to the wheel, like a big mud clod, then the beads will correct the imbalance.

If you want the best of both worlds, balance the tires with lead weights and add the beads. If you keep the tires inflated properly, they will last longer and resist cupping better.

[MyRed1800]

I just put the beads in my Bridgestones yesterday. I first started with the vibrating tool. What a pain. So for the back tire and trailer tires I used some air from my compressor. What a difference! Using a little air to push them in is the ONLY way to go. I haven't driven with them in yet but can't wait.