FYI - How to update your NAVI to the latest everything

[GA_Rainman]

Originally Posted by Tony in AZ

Does entering the serial number offf the navi unit on my 2008 bike .. "marry' the new Garmin 2008 maps DVD software to the only the nav unit in the bike?

After I update my bike , I can still use this 2008 version software with my 2610 unit?

Tony, to answer your question - yes - if you buy a copy of the DVD, it is indeed tied to one specific GPS, so no, if you use it for your NAVI unit, you won't be able to use it for your 2610. I'm in the same boat as I've got a 2610 as well. They USED to allow you to use it for a second or third unit, but they got greedy last year and took that feature out. The button to unlock for another unit is still there, it's just greyed out now.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by GA_Rainman

...Has anyone seen a copyright on this firmware? I never have and I don't believe there is one. Most companies who would ever write a firmware will tell you that they don't bother copyrighting firmwares because they are simply bug fixes that they WANT the public to have. In addition, they change so often that aren't worth messing with a copyright. In ANY case, unless it's got a copyright, it's not illegal to copy or share it...

Unless you can produce a copyright for Garmin NAVI Firmware 4.31, I'm considering this a CLOSED ISSUE. In other words, shut up about it!

I've got no dog in this fight, but Garmin apparently feels just a little differently about their intellectual property than you do (emphasis added for readability) ...

From the Zumo firmware update page (but typical for any of their downloads):

Software License Agreement

• By downloading, installing, or using this software, you agree to be bound by the terms and conditions of the following license agreement. Please read this agreement carefully.
  
  Garmin Corporation ("Garmin") grants you a limited, non-exclusive license to use the upgrade software ("Software") in binary executable form in the normal operation of the applicable Garmin products. Title, ownership rights, and intellectual property rights in and to the Software remain in Garmin. This license is personal to you and you may make copies of the software only for your personal use. You agree that this license agreement does not need to be signed for it to take effect.
  
  The software is provided on an "as is" basis without warranty of any kind -- either expressed or implied -- including, without limitation, any implied warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. Garmin does not warrant the performance of the software or that the software will meet your requirements or operate error free.
  
  You acknowledge that this Software is the property of Garmin and is protected under United States of America copyright laws and international copyright treaties. You further acknowledge that the structure, organization, and code of the Software are valuable trade secrets of Garmin and that the Software in source code form remains a valuable trade secret of Garmin. You agree not to decompile, disassemble, modify, reverse assemble, reverse engineer, or reduce to human readable form the Software or any part thereof or create any derivative works based on the Software.
  
  You agree not to export or re-export the Software to any country in violation of the export control laws of the United States of America.

... I'm the original poster and I don't consider any further dead horse beating on this subject welcome in this thread.

Damn - I didn't realize we had the power to do this...

[Tony in AZ]

thank you for the answer.

I will update my software for my 2610... it is out of date 3 yrs.

my 2008 bike has latest firm ware , appears to be last yrs maps Ver 8 listed as the nav unit spools up

[William Anzik]

Originally Posted by GA_Rainman

Has anyone seen a copyright on this firmware? I never have and I don't believe there is one.

Thanks to Jon, we all have.


The number of people who have stolen it irrelevant. I also wonder how much risk of being sued this (and the music download threads) puts on Hal.

[William Anzik]

Originally Posted by LarryM

I wouldn't think twice from grabbing it from another source for free if I needed it, but at the same time I won't try and kid myself into thinking that what I am doing is legal. If someone needs to use twisted logic to convince themselves they are not stealing in order for them to sleep at night, well, you gotta do what you gotta do, I guess.

At least you're honest.... or are you...

[LarryM]

Originally Posted by William Anzik

At least you're honest.... or are you...

Hey, if you are going to be honest with anyone, at least be honest with yourself, right?

I didn't really have much to say. I just had to have the last word.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by GA_Rainman

I... Unless you can produce a copyright for Garmin NAVI Firmware 4.31, I'm considering this a CLOSED ISSUE. In other words, shut up about it!...

It doesn't matter if you have a clue what you're talking about or not.

Personally, while I won't say I'll never be back here, I'm finding the other forums much more enjoyable and a whole lot less hostile.

Jeremy, do you have a response to my copyright post? Do you think that the Navi firmware upgrade would be the only firmware upgrade that they don't consider copyrighted material?

[GA_Rainman]

Honestly Jon....no...not really. I just really quit caring. There's some folks that are beyond reason.

Ya'll just read the parts of my post you wanted to hear and ignored the rest. Let me say it again. YOU CAN'T JUST CALL SOMETHING COPYWRIGHTED AND SUDDENLY IT IS. If that were the case, I'd say you owe me a whole heck of a lot of money for quoting me without my permission (READ my last post). You kind of made my point for me. I CLAIMED a copyright on something I wrote and you ignored it. How's that ANY different at all than sharing this firmware around? Are you a hypocrite There's no ACTUAL COPYRIGHT on the firmware in question (or my own "copywrighted words for that matter) so frankly, unless you're willing to pay me many thousands of dollars, I'd say yours and Garmin's argument don't really hold any water.

Honestly - I'm done with this topic although I know a few of you will be chomping at the bit to stir the pot a bit more and argue for the sake of arguing. I'll be unsubscribing from this topic and moving on. I've shared the information which was the original intention of the post so continue to hijack away as I'm sure you will anyway.

T. M. I.

[William Anzik]

I seriously doubt Garmin or any other company needs a separate copyright every single piece of code they create. I don't think the NFL needs to copyright every individual game but they have the copyrights to them anyway - it's their property. Same with Garmin. I'm sure it's covered under a general umbrella copyright. But even it isn't, it's clear their policy on FIRMWARE upgrades - even FREE ones.

I guess a person could claim their own words here copyrighted - however, there is a nice convenient little button on the top right of every post to automatically quote whatever anyone posts. I think our posts become public domain. But even with copyrighted works like books, it is still legal to quote sections of it as long as you give proper credit to the author. I think everyone has given proper credit to all authors so there are no copyright violations here (aside from the FIRMWARE copyright violation, of course).

I'll bet when Garmin finds out what's going on they'll change a couple things. I don't know what their incentive will be to get the next updates out there. I hope the ones who took this one without paying will remember the next time they're wondering why it's taking so long for an update to be released.

Jon, you didn't waste your time. I'm sure there are others who care about the truth. Now those like LarryM can decide if they want to steal or not!

[Jon]

As I said, I don't have a dog in this fight - he asked for an example of a firmware file that was copyrighted (and all of Garmin's free firmware upgrades have that statement - I checked).

I was just wondering what his stance was after reading it - I could really care less where he or anyone else gets their software/music or operating system software - it has no bearing on me and I'm out of this discussion.

Have a great and safe New Year, everybody!

[William Anzik]

Fair enough.

[stewie]

just wanted to say thank you for the update... just installed the firmware update on my bike

[AlbertaDoug]

Owners of Canadian machines with version 2.00 can update thier firmware by doing a Hard Reset of their GPS unit. The instuctions are in the Service Manual. If you do not have a service manual PM me and I will send you the instructions.

[Burger]

Originally Posted by AlbertaDoug

Owners of Canadian machines with version 2.00 can update thier firmware by doing a Hard Reset of their GPS unit. The instuctions are in the Service Manual. If you do not have a service manual PM me and I will send you the instructions.

Surely when you do this you lose functionality? I appreciate that might not be important to you but it might be to other Canadian users. To the best of my knowledge, V2 allowed language selection amongst other things (V2.10 definitely does), whereas the US V4 firmware doesn't. Did you lose this when you updated?

Regards,

[Titanium06]

Originally Posted by Burger

Surely when you do this you lose functionality? I appreciate that might not be important to you but it might be to other Canadian users. To the best of my knowledge, V2 allowed language selection amongst other things (V2.10 definitely does), whereas the US V4 firmware doesn't. Did you lose this when you updated?

Regards,

I believe you will lose the function of language choice and the ability to turn maps off and on.
any updates for the Version 2:00?

[Burger]

I don't currently have a V2 update file and I'm not sure if any bikes were ever released with one, but I have plenty of contacts here in Europe and I'll happily ask around. I'll let you know.

Regards,

[AlbertaDoug]

Originally Posted by Burger

Surely when you do this you lose functionality? I appreciate that might not be important to you but it might be to other Canadian users. To the best of my knowledge, V2 allowed language selection amongst other things (V2.10 definitely does), whereas the US V4 firmware doesn't. Did you lose this when you updated?

Regards,

Yes you do lose the French language and the ability to deselect various map areas. Personally I don't know French so I am not concerned about losing the French in the GPS and I never did deselect various maps areas prior to updateing the firmware so I won't miss that function as well. I can also guarantee that I will not miss the "UNVERIFIED ROAD" anouncment. Just about every road in Canada with the exception of tha Trans Canada Highway seem to be unverified. I did not lose all the previous finds that the GPS kept in its log. "Bonus". I now feel that I will be able to actually turn the GPS audio back on.

[upssnowman]

Hey Ga Rainman your write up was just excellent on the gl1800 web page very nice job it will be refered to often

Myself and Burger somehow taking the credit for figuring out how to use the second unlock code to update the Navi's, I was working on this hard for months trying to hack the unit and software

Burger figured out the european method just after I used the second unlock to do it on our USA version GPS's
I think this is why Garmin won't let us now unlock 2 units anymore with the purchase of an unlock code.

I was on the phone with Garmin today complaining about this.

well just wanted to say nice write up I've just been on burnout telling guy how to do it for so long now,

again nice job get ready for lots of e-mail

upsnowman -- on the forum


You Guys that hi-jacked this very nice post on trying to help others with your legal smegal bull****,
as said start your own damm post and e-mail each other
you same bunch of knuckleheads jump on a lot of post and just fight among yourselves we don't care about all the legal bull-crap GO AWAY PLEASE


Ga_Rainman just excellent keep it up --wow I've been doing this computer crap that long also all way back to apple 2 with a 512 riser card--wow

[William Anzik]

Originally Posted by upssnowman

You Guys that hi-jacked this very nice post on trying to help others with your legal smegal bullshrit,
as said start your own damm post and e-mail each other
you same bunch of knuckleheads jump on a lot of post and just fight among yourselves we don't care about all the legal bull-crap GO AWAY PLEASE

We were done with it days ago - why'd you fire it up again with your "bullshrit?" Don't steal if you don't want to be called a thief.

[Burger]

Originally Posted by AlbertaDoug

Yes you do lose the French language and the ability to deselect various map areas. Personally I don't know French so I am not concerned about losing the French in the GPS and I never did deselect various maps areas prior to updateing the firmware so I won't miss that function as well. I can also guarantee that I will not miss the "UNVERIFIED ROAD" anouncment. Just about every road in Canada with the exception of tha Trans Canada Highway seem to be unverified. I did not lose all the previous finds that the GPS kept in its log. "Bonus". I now feel that I will be able to actually turn the GPS audio back on.

You shouldn't lose the ability to deselect certain map areas... That feature exists in the US version too. OK, well it existed for certain in V4.1... is this another change somewhere between V4.1 and V4.31?

The behavior of the unverified road message was changed in the V4.2 update.

Anyhow, thanks for confirming the loss of language selection because that could be important to any non US people following this thread.

Regards,

[Boris]

Anyhow, thanks for confirming the loss of language selection because that could be important to any non US people following this thread.

Regards,

You're right,Burger.

[cycledude]

Rainman i don't even own a Honda GPS but do appreaciate all your efforts

[Motor City]

I have a 08 with the Navi and I have a question about this Software.
Can I get a new CF card and make a working copy of the card that is in my bike?
I would like to have a back up incase someone gets stickey fingers and takes mine some night.
I sure do not want to purchase another card with mine still current. Thanks

[Burger]

Originally Posted by Motor City

I have a 08 with the Navi and I have a question about this Software.
Can I get a new CF card and make a working copy of the card that is in my bike?
I would like to have a back up incase someone gets stickey fingers and takes mine some night.
I sure do not want to purchase another card with mine still current. Thanks

Yes. Just copy the contents to a new 2gb CF card (formatted FAT or FAT32) and it will work.

Regards,

[Motor City]

Burger, Thank you for the information.

[Mass_X]

Hi Rainman,

Many thanks to you and the others that made it so easy for guys like me to find this information and the steps in order to update the firmware and update the maps.

I first started out on the path of calling my dealership (Naults Manchester) and didn't get very far there. They wanted me to bring in the bike so that could go through the system, of which I tried to explain that they only needed to call Honda and provide me with a firmware version that actually worked. This isn't the only time I've ran into a roadblock with the service department there. On a VTX I had I let them do the first oil change and checkup at 600 miles, only to get home and find that they left the drain plug half hanging out and lost a quart on the way home. I do my own oil changes now and wasn't about to let them get into anything that involved any brain activity. The sales department is pretty darn good though and nice folks. I even called to vent on the service department after they had left the oil plug loose and ask them what the torque was for the drain plug only to hear the answer of "I don't know". Oh well....Heres your sign!!!

I was able to find the Navigator Maps 2008 for 109.00 and after pluging in about 17 different combinations to unlock the software maps and doing the hokie pokey twice and about 1.5 hours later have an upgraded map system on my 06 wing. Just kiddin... it wasn't that bad, but I sure am glad to have a the upgraded firmware and latest maps for this riding season. I don't think I'll miss that "Unverified Road" dinging and music interuption this season.

Once again Many Many THANKS to all who paved the way for the rest of us guys.

MASS_X

[dschenk952]

This is good stuff, Rainman. Thanks for going to the trouble of posting this. I'm picking up an '08 on Saturday and have been wondering aoub the NAV unit and other things.

Thanks, again.

[jamcgowan]

Just updated my firmware...piece of cake.

[royrcjr]

Just confirmed today that in addition to the other things fixed by the firmware update to 4.31, the new daylight saving time jump is also fixed.